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Swiss is terrible because when you lose 1 game everyone leaves and you get no rewards. I can see swiss killing ATs completely pretty quickly. It should be single elim.

Long term sustain is too high. They need to nerf healing and mobility skills which allows too much kiting now the damage is lower.

Hard to punish in a small area made for reveals and AoE damage that hits everyone, including in stealth? Yeah, let’s pretend that thief is OP in 2v2. Lol, how small? You can do the same play style as core thief. Stealth, burst, heal, stealth burst again. Sword thief, can port all over the place. The maps are pretty tiny. Necro and rev (both popular have AoE reveal. Necro and Rev aren’t going to be one shot either for that matter. If the thief tries to permastealth they also won’t have the resources to do huge damage to you. Just wait until they come out of stealth and pressure them. Rinse and repeat. Can thief be a threat in 2v2? Sure, but not unfairly so. Talking about 5v5 not 2v2. Ah, so why is thief over performing in 5v5? Damage? Mobility/Sustain? On what weapons? Mobility and stealth. If stealth isn't fixed then shortbow 5 should cost 8 initiative and break stealth Lol, so basically thief should be deleted? Mobility and stealth are how thief remains most relevant in terms of decap and survivability/+1 ability. Thief is by far the best hero in 5v5. I am sure they could take some minor nerfs

Hard to punish in a small area made for reveals and AoE damage that hits everyone, including in stealth? Yeah, let’s pretend that thief is OP in 2v2. Lol, how small? You can do the same play style as core thief. Stealth, burst, heal, stealth burst again. Sword thief, can port all over the place. The maps are pretty tiny. Necro and rev (both popular have AoE reveal. Necro and Rev aren’t going to be one shot either for that matter. If the thief tries to permastealth they also won’t have the resources to do huge damage to you. Just wait until they come out of stealth and pressure them. Rinse and repeat. Can thief be a threat in 2v2? Sure, but not unfairly so. Talking about 5v5 not 2v2. Ah, so why is thief over performing in 5v5? Damage? Mobility/Sustain? On what weapons? Mobility and stealth. If stealth isn't fixed then shortbow 5 should cost 8 initiative and break stealth

Hard to punish in a small area made for reveals and AoE damage that hits everyone, including in stealth? Yeah, let’s pretend that thief is OP in 2v2. Lol, how small? You can do the same play style as core thief. Stealth, burst, heal, stealth burst again. Sword thief, can port all over the place. The maps are pretty tiny. Necro and rev (both popular have AoE reveal. Necro and Rev aren’t going to be one shot either for that matter. If the thief tries to permastealth they also won’t have the resources to do huge damage to you. Just wait until they come out of stealth and pressure them. Rinse and repeat. Can thief be a threat in 2v2? Sure, but not unfairly so. Talking about 5v5 not 2v2.

It is the source of a lot of sustain problems in the game. Now damage and corrupts are lower its time to nerf sustain a little more, in particular things like regen.

Here is your tradeoff: you have to invest in skills/traits to maintain it, losing damage potential for your burst. Also cannot contest/defend points. The game literally has traits going the opposite way. Also there are no more stealth 1-shots. Even on the lowest base health classes, equip an amulet with any vitality on it and no opener can kill you. I'm starting to think you're just trolling and I got baited hard. I'm just going to leave this here...https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Backstab You cannot be serious. Please tell me I got baited, noone who played this game for more then 20 minutes can type something like this with a straight face.... RIGHT? Stealth counter: reveal. General cleave/channeled skills still hit targets in stealth. On the off chance you're not trolling, I'd advise to go try the stealth heavy classes before wanting to balance them. (Ranger, mesmer and thief) This Stealth has a learning curve, but it's not broke There is no counter play to stealth spikes, in particular at the start of the game. That is terrible game design.

Thief is fine. You just need to be good at rifle or good at s/d thief. In conquest thief is the best class, so once 5v5 starts they need to significantly nerf thief again. Necro life steal healing should probably be toned down a tiny bit though I agree. Rev needs pretty hefty nerfs, its very good in 5v5

They need to stop the "stealth at start and get a 1 shot" because it ruins the game. Something needs to be done. I like the idea of people in stealth being visible but not target-able.

Its not unrealistic to do this much damage though. It wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for stealth though probably. I accept that.

Most classes have outliers. Shadowstep for thief. Life steal in blood magic for necro. Sic Em for Ranger. Magic bullet for mesmer. They all need addressing as they are all too good

This. Do you really think ANET has the resources or motivation to completely rework classes with stealth access to compensate for a change/removal of stealth? Not gonna happen lol. We can argue that it SHOULD happen, but it's not going to. Thief would still be fine if they didn't regain endurance in stealth or are slightly slower.

Good idea. That also solves the super lame thing of having to stay close till a thief pops up on the map, which again has no counter play. So much about the thief class just lacks counter play in conquest honestly.

make it -50% at least, like in other mmorpgs where stealth isnt so op(and no reveal-cleansing for deadeyes lol) I think 30% movement AND just 50% lower endurance gain would be good. Could just make endurance never recharge in stealth

Stealth is oppressive to the game and needs some sort of trade off. Ideas: Movement and endurance-gain is 30% slower in stealthPower is reduced by 400-500 when in stealth and for 3 seconds after coming out of stealth (to stop stealth 1-shots)Once you come out of stealth you cannot re-stealth for another 20 secondsPlayers are removed from stealth when another player is within 600 range of themSkills do not recharge whilst stealthedI am sure others have ideas. Stealth needs to come with trade offs and there needs to be counter-play available to stealth-ed characters.