Fangoth.4503

First time if you ignore that i've said the game is unplayable without legendary (or soth alike, i don't want to look back for it) and made it a bit more obvious when some said it's not true and then asked them to gear 24 character with ascended and saying it cost something like 10k gold and an extra 1k gold per balance patch, and somehow you keep talking about exotics when it never was the case as they are suboptimal and rare are players that want to run all their characters full exotic forever I'm not trying to pin anything on you, I just find sad that you think raid/wvw/pvp need to attract player by having the exclusivity on legendary armor instead of actually attracting players because they find it fun... Like who painted that narative? (except you in that quote ofc) I clearly stated imo all content should be able to offer 1 set of each leg and playing more than 1 content should fasten the process of getting your full legendary gear. How is this making the game any better? raid: at best you attract people that leave after 750li, worst you get players a bad experience which in the end make them call raiders toxic wvw: you have people that afk and tag a camp every 10min pvp: you get people fight each other within the same team because they lost and blame it on someone else How about you try to make people go there because they like it instead? Well they probably wouldn't need give up old content and reinvent the wheel every here and there No worries it is clear from the start. You think that it's better that players are required to play content they don't enjoy to reach max gear, and you try to justify it by saying they don't need it because they can just run 10 alt with exotic you can also do ow without weapon and somehow leg weapons are not stuck behind other things 😬 raid are probably pretty hard without weapon and i'm yet to see a leg weapon there 😞

and you're still ignoring the real issue an open world want run 9 character 8 build: he need to craft 72 ascended armor a raider want run 9 character 8 build: he need to craft 3 leg armor Exotic is not the point both could run it there is no difference there so if you want to start from there neither ow player nor raiders/wvw player should have legendary as they they can run exotic 🤷‍♂️ i could also come back in 7 years and do raid with exotic zerk gear so there is no need of legendary armor there either? how do you think selling guild still put stuff in lfg? most sell are FC and as customer often repeats i'm pretty sure that's their goal, although no one question their motivation as long as they pay 🤷‍♂️ just try to sell and you'll see by youself no i'm just gonna ask you why raider or wvw player desserve an armor and openworld player doesn't?

same as from the start: me being for having leg armor available to every players so they can all have the freedom to adapt their gear to the situaltion you still loose your place in the meta when you log out put gear in bank, log back in and take the new gear to adapt your build to the situation it has everything to do with the topic, at the moment openworld player has to either afk in wvw or buy raid (something in pvp too iirc but no clue how you get this one) to have access to legendary armor when in my opinion they should have an openworld one. And it's not a good 'goal' just a bad attempt to artificially bring people in wvw/pvp/raid

how is it any different than in raid? then it doesn't matter whether its soulbound or not? Why would buying raid be a long term goal? just give ow players the long term goal to get their armor through the content they actually enjoy. Well just have player be able to get all the gear by having fun rather than going in gamemode they dislike to get it

'They are, exotics are relatively cheap' Saying exotic is just fine isn't a good argument to justify not having legendary armor (initial point of the thread btw) as exotic isn't needed either in raid. 'ascended gear is not souldbound' Constantly swapping ascended is an option yes but you need to spend more time farming the gold to do so than playing what you want. And returning to lyon arch to do so mid meta is the best way to loose your sit 🙃 'You're basically trying to remove any optional long-term goal for players in an mmorpg' What a great long term goal, farming 30k MC to buy 30 raid FC 🤣🤣 well at least it brings me MC but i wouldn't call it a great goal on the buyer side

It does not hold because whether you go in ow or raid/wvw (i put pvp aside as there gear is given anyway) you don't need max gear as you say, so there is no real reason for any of these content to have legendary armor (same goes the other way around with weapons and trinkets) while the other don't have access to it. I disagree, playing the core game (ow) should have access to every legendary (at least one, not every leg skin) gear but playing extra content should make the process faster and/or give extra skin. you don't say it's needed for anything, you're saying because openworld player don't play many characters makes them not worth giving them legendary armor so they can actually start play more characters/builds.

and yet once again your argument doesn't hold, you don't need either top gear to clear raid do wvw or pvp. Why do they even exist there then? so far the only place that require it is fractal. because so far i've never seen ow player saying no don't add legendary accessible to us. and no it's not an exageration, that's the reason i stopped to play between hot release and 2019. I had already the 9 spec with exotic gear and the only thing to do was to farm cloth over and over for each character so i instead went to another game

it's not unrealistic, and until having access to a lot of ascended/legendary I played 1 characters because there were no other choice. pretty bad for a alt friendly game if players are forced to run 1 or 2 build because 3 raiders think legendary armor should be a 'glorious' armor to wear even though most player reskin it anyway

I'm not top tier, i just enjoy playing different class and build, in case you are not aware each profession has 3 spec and most specs can be played in different ways. And you're just wrong on that point people don't diversify much because they are unable to do so at descent price if they are not playing either fractal or raid, hence an increase need of a OW legendary compare to raid/fract you reasoning is only based on people not having access to a good way to diversify their gear and justify it because they are not doing so... so if there is no significant improvement then remove legendary armor from every content

OFC i have lengendary armor i'm not goin to pay 10k gold to gear characters 🙃 why would i call somthing unplayable and still do it? so basically your point is people don't need to have access to legendary armor in OW because they don't modify much their gear because they don't have access to legendary armor. something is wrong in your logic

Any content except wvw and pvp. yes exotic, even white if you wish to, is possible but suboptimal and still very costy everytime you want to change a rune/sigil. it doesn't have to, just make it one with similar requirement to openworld trinkets/rune/weapons. Just keep a different skin for raid and it's all good.

i'm not, i've said before on average 3 over 24 character, equivalent to 8 on 9 characters

what would it prove? that i have 24 characters? there you go: https://i.imgur.com/iXGJbRJ.png

nah i went to 24 because its cheaper to have new character than getting all slots on a single character all 9 professions with 8 build/armor also add up to 72 not really it's niche because no one would diversify their class spec player if everytime you add one you need to bank another 200gold

why wouldn't or shouldn't you? people can play more than one build per character, they can play with different stats depending where they go, change if they prefer have more cleave or more single target damage, be condi, power, heal, boon 8 build per character comes very fast and so far there is no good reasons exposed to not allow players to make legendary armor. If you're afraid people are going to stop raid because of that then it means you have an issue in the content itself, else just keep a different skin in there but allow pve player to access this armor