Sereath.1428

ANET reinvent the wheel moment. Someone here wanting to change the one skill that wasn't buffed on Hammer. "They should start by addressing what didn't need to be better, such as #4." - Someone experienced "I'll pretend I didn't hear that. They should change random bs that annoys me instead. Yes, nerf this skill from 2015." - The average something

That's it, tbh. Herald is far too unforgiving to play, and Renegade is just ineffective at everything compared to any other spec. And as I said, just as the players on the receiving end: I dislike Vindicators playstyle around Death Drop. I know why they do it. Unlikely they will address it directly, as they often like to reinvent the wheel. Current playstyle is all around bursting targets as soon as possible. No emphasis on "dancing" between orange and blue alliance stances at all, it's mostly just Death Drop and hammer nukes from range right now. Full melee Vindicator was way more manageable to fight, unforgiving to play and shortbow has lower range and almost zero defensives. Misleading numbers because of weird scaling. In-game it's in average 3.5k, which is still quite a lot and annoying. (Most hammer skills have half that coefficient and hit twice as hard as Death Drop) And as some of us have said. Hammer is also quite overtuned. Specially because of #4.

>good >overperforming So which one is it? Is it not supposed to be good? (Which apparently wasn't, since no mat team really tried it for a long time, not even after it got access to shortbow) This is how the average gamer/person typical forum user works. Can only think in terms of extremes. Everything is either useless or overpowered. Good/Competitive + not my main = Overperforming Can't even point to anything specific because can't even be bothered to read patch notes. "This class makes me so mad. Just nerf everything at the same time." Fight someone with thousands of hours on something. = "That thing is clearly broken, I should have won."

What does that make you, then?

Brother, you got clowned even before the last set of hammer buffs. Good players behind shortbow vindis would have been doing the same.

And I've actually commented the same as well. I actually don't like Death Drop being that good, I dislike the gameplay. And it's throwing a match not taking it, I personally like Imperial Impact more. I've also personally said that they should drastically reduce the damage of Death Drop since it already comes with a +15% damage buff and that is already great. But they should also make Imperial Impact more useful. Utility wise. And the access to extra endurance for vindicator, such as vigor, is already gone from the spec, cant even use Retribution for that since they nerfed every synergy to the ground. That's why this thread is funny with the "Infinite evades, spamming them every 2 seconds for over a min while fighting 2-5 players at a time!" Just address Death Drop. Clearly too much to fight for the pseudo plat players who think they are better than they really are. And about hammer, I also commented how Field is quite overturned at the moment. It probably shouldn't be doing any damage at all. Not a fan either of how instead of making CoR (#2) more reliable they made it reset after a #5.

And they couldn't handle that either, look at it now. A thief without that many evades, blind spam, instant shadowsteps is a Power Herald in its prime. This place is hopeless. I regret supporting this engi main in the past. By the way, I am now waiting for the video of you dueling core revenants evade spamming.

Gaslighting is exactly what people do in this place when some players dare to play Vindicator instead of Herald or Renegade and deny them the chance to perma farm them. And I know this happens with every other class and spec. They should delete this place and only balance around metrics and tournaments, which they probably already do.

Buddy here feels that their core revenant builds would be winning tournaments if Vindicator didn't exist. (No, it was the same case when Power Herald was a thing. For them, Power Herald-Shiro needed to be gone from the game because core rev is the real way to play revenant, it is just that for around a decade no one has ever been good enough for it. Not even the top players.)

Conquest fanatics decided that anything remotely tanky had no place in their game mode: Removed and nerfed most amulets, trash sigils, etc. So of course high damage and active defences are everything. This pvp is so kittened up thanks to the hyper-focus on a single mode ever since they wanted to become a pseudo-esports game. Absolutely nothing. That is why Devastation, Death Drop Vindicator is the only remotely competitive spec. High Damage + active defences. It's the only gameplay CMC/whoever allows for revenant. Kill everything within the first 5 seconds otherwise tough luck with your kitten 2.8k and 3.5k heals with 30s cd. Power Herald, the same philosophy actually. You better kill things within the first 3 seconds, otherwise good luck with your 2 seconds of Infuse Light every 30s.

(Glad that there are at least some good posts for every 50, in this place. Otherwise it's pure yapping except for Shagie, arazoth, Terrorhuz, Flowki, ArthurDent) It is as I said in my other post about the spec. Death Drop needs to be changed. It already comes with a +15% damage buff. That's already great. Meanwhile the other two dodges are omega trash. All of them should have a different kind of utility. 1. Damage Buff 2. Either a leap or a miniscule energy gain for every target hit (1-2). 3. Something Oh and remove the damage from Field of the Mists (#4). Not a fan of Drop the Hammer (#5) refreshing #2. Instead of fixing, reverting it to the way it was years ago. We're always reinventing the wheel, aren't we? That's it. For good reason, Vindicator hasn't been in a single winning MAT team for a very long time. Not even when it gained access to shortbow. The rest of the class is unplayable without salvation or reliable condi cleanse and vindicator has an answer for that, Tree Song. Power Herald is simply unplayable without staff. Otherwise, people would have already tried to replace staff with either shortbow or hammer, or even GS + swords. The only remotely good builds have been with vindicator for a while now. And only very recently it got quite good because hammer has both offence and defence: Phase Smash (#2) is also a dodge with damage at the end. Suddenly vindicator feels like a 150 endurance spec. Field of the Mists (#4) feels instant, comes with a frontal projectile block and an aegis as well. It is also the highest damage skill from hammer. Hammer is a little overtuned right now. It did not need that super buff to #4. It's simply better than shortbow right now. However, some of the complainers here were already getting clowned by hammer before the last set of buffs. I still play shortbow and try to make Imperial Impact work as hard as I can. I do not want them to keep balancing the whole spec class around kittening Death Drop.

Some were already crying hard even before the last set of hammer buffs. PvP forums moment. First time ever that hammer is competitive, so they just go into shock every time they see one. The skill level of the average pvp payer is that low these days.

Going from 23 active players to 14 had its consequences.

I'll only say some things: Hammer was indeed unusable for the entirety of its existence in sPvP, or at least against targets aware of your existence (So only ever useful in wvw inside blobs). It did need a lot of help but especially after they completely kittened up the functionality of Coalescence of Ruin (#2). The only way for the weapon to be competitive right now is for it to hit very hard, it's a sluggish mess. - Thats what many rev players wanted, actually. Revert Coalescence to the way it used to work: First Impact: Low Damage Second Impact: Ok Damage Final Impact: Good Damage And it had a lot less terrain problems, it was also faster. Right now it is good at all ranges, buggy at all ranges. You can use it at any range without repercussions. Boring. Or just reverse the damage range logic from above, it would still be way more interesting than the current iteration. And Field of the Mists (#4) has no business doing that much damage. It probably shouldn't be doing any damage at all. It all goes back to trying to overcompensate for how garbage #2 is mechanically. That's why they made #5 reset it now. But they never listened, not once. Instead, they like to reinvent the wheel like every other prideful dev. 🔸 And about Vindicator: The only good change left should be to do something about Death Drop. I also hate that playstyle. However, its "power budget" should then be redistributed to other parts of the spec. Like making Imperial Impact not garbage. So probably cut down Death Drop's damage by 33%, 50%, 66%, any idc. It already comes with a 10s +15% damage buff. Make Imperial Impact a Leap finisher, or make it gain 1-2 energy per target affected. Not sure about the third dodge, it's also very mediocre right now. I really like the Alliance stance, it actually makes the class not a miserable experience. The need to abuse Death Drop for damage, not something I enjoy at all. 🔸 Other omega garbage weapons while I'm here: Staff, shield, axe. The class really lacks options in both quantity and quality. Too bad the devs never listen to anything. They killed their own game mode through both negligence and a kitten "game philosophy". Edit: Yeah a hammer vindicator was present at NA finals. However, NA is devoid of competitiveness. Very likely that they only care about EU's scene which I agree with. (And Im NA) No wonder the NA final was NA vs. EU.

No utility cooldown should ever exceed the legend swap cd.