blackheartgary.8605

It would appear as if a well thought out solution to some of the issues has been obtained. It would also appear that now, for some strange reason, that these changes are being offered, people are asking for more stuff. This feels like someone delivering a perfectly cooked meal, then offering desert, and still the one who has eaten is still hungry.

hey there, thanks for the input. oh, and thanks for you being you and speaking your mind. Don't you worry, i'll do exactly what you just told me to do. i promise 🙂

a very solid response. thank you for this. and yes i agree with you entirely. while i still maintain that the vast majority of rage comes from the feel that the mount is being gatekept... if that was taken away, then the focus would be on the issues of the meta event that people have expressed, and arguably, there would be a lot less people upset. i won't lie... tonight we got to 9% and because of a single missed breakbar, it was a loss. it was a solid fight, and everyone on map was giving it all they had. and if i'm honest, the last cc check was understandable, due to all that was happening around the group. there's two schools of thought, and both are upset with the whole thing. but if one of those, the group that just wants the egg, didn't have to suffer through something they really don't want to do, i think that would please them and that's a good thing. and for those that are in the other school of thought and focus on the fight itself, even more focus on the fight would take place, albeit with less people. I may be oversimplifying it, but i am not 100% wrong on this. it really, really, is about "i just want the mount" and personally, i don't.

Think about this for a brief moment, if you will: first, let's strip the egg from the event. By doing this, those who feel they are required to do something they do not want to do no longer have to do it. second, let's look at the event. it does not ask for KP. it does not ask for builds. it does not ask for LI. Players do that. The event is not to blame for the choices players make in how to organize their teams, as the event does not demand those things. Third, yes it's hard. So was gerent. Yes it has RNG and that should be looked at. as far as it being fair or unfair, that's not my call. The fairness or unfairness of a thing is determined by the individual's opinion. I am simply stating a fact. if you remove the turtle (or egg) from the event, there would be less arguing about it. the focus would then be on the mechanics of the event itself. I don't feel superior to anyone. i see things in their complexity and then bring them down to their simplest form. in short, i summarize. hence the post. 🙂

quite the contrary. people like mounts. they're actually pretty cool, and a great addition to the game. Maps were designed around their use. I have no issue with people wanting their mounts. never did. My point... is that if that turtle was not connected to DE, the arguing would not be as loud. and i am not wrong. yes there would be a debate about the event itself. but by and large, there would be less arguing if the mount was not a part of the event. period.

I remember when Triple Trouble launched, that there was this feeling that the world boss event was way too hard to complete. It was an open world event, requiring 3 groups to split off and simultaneously attempt to take down 3 heads of a Wurm. Back then, it originally felt unbeatable. Overt time, teams began organizing, strategies were forming, and attempts were being made to test out these strategies. a LOT were unsuccessful, and yeah... people did get a bit salty over it. if i recall correctly, there was even talk that TT was too hard. Talk that TT didn't appeal very much to the casual player for the level of difficulty it presented. and then people learned how to defeat TT. repeatedly. and Yes, it still fails today sometimes. The Chak Gerent fell to a similar pattern. Anet Stepped in at one point and nerfed it. the Gerent didn't have as strong a bite anymore and people began playing it more. the same exact thing is happening here with DE.

never said there was anything wrong with that. i said that the turtle is the reason for all of the grief.

you'd be wrong. i don't have the mount. i am not interested in the mount. i love the event. i love the challenge. But thanks for assuming.

gonna be honest here... you're 100% correct on a few things here. under no circumstances should an open world event require role-centric subgroups. that's correct. and the DE meta doesn't ask you or expect you to have it, or at least that's not what my screen says when i enter the map. This particular thing comes from players themselves. second, the thing about KP: again, this is players, and not the event. the players themselves are making those requirements, as they did in raids. I'm strongly against that concept. you cannot expect or demand from other players that they provide KP for an open world event. it's simple as that. and those that do will be disappointed to know that while they may require that in their squad, it will not stop players without KP from participating in an open world event. Because, you know... it's open world.

Respectfully, I disagree. As a whole, the Event is designed to be difficult. Of course it is, as this is the culmination of almost a decade of fighting Elder Dragons. I would be deeply disappointed if an end-of-an-era event is a fight that lasts 10 minutes and can be done with less than 5 people in an open world map. No. IMHO it needs to be this difficult; this challenging. it needs to feel like it cannot be done. the mechanics need to reflect the skills that have been given to players since launch. It needs to have a "big fight feel".

"I just want my mount". That's it. That's the entire reason for the megatons of forum posts, the debates the arguments, the angry players, etc etc. "I just want my mount". Since the Launch of the Expansion, and the discovery that the Siege Turtle collection begins after the successful completion of the DE meta, there have been countless arguments, thousands of words lobbed at each other, and a lot of disappointment from players. Successful completion of the event gives you an egg, and this egg starts the turtle collection. Now, before anyone gets any ideas, I do not want the mount. it's not as important to me as the experience I get from playing the game itself. The turtle mount is cool, indeed. yes it seats 2, yes, it can be used in open world combat. Also, I get it... the DE meta is challenging. I love that it is challenging! Yes, please, feed me more of this! Win or lose, this is perhaps the single greatest fight-based event in guild wars 2! can it be random? can it be frustrating? can it be overcome? the answer to all of these questions is YES. But the meta is not the subject of the debate. it's not the subject of the increased division amongst players. That title goes to a small turtle egg. "I just want my mount". Here lies the sole reason why the bandaid gets torn off on a wound that has existed since Guild Wars 2 began, in reality. There are many different kinds of players, and 2 specific types of players are arguing incessantly over working for what you want vs working hard for what you want. This has happened several times before, and no doubt it will again. but in this particular instance, it is ENTIRELY about: "i just want my mount". Think about it. if the turtle was obtainable by any other means, this mt everest of debating would not be taking place. people would be less angry. those who didn't want to do the DE meta wouldn't have to, and those who did would have the groups they are expecting for this type of fight.

Apologies. it's not intended to be, what did you call it, a "gotcha" moment. I work in a real world industry where my job, for the most part, is to de-escalate things and try to figure out the root of the problem, then find constructive means on how to solve said problem. Call it Deductive reasoning, with a paycheck. You're right, BTW. There's Nothing wrong with the meta. not really. it has nothing to do at all with the meta, in fact. it's about the mount. people just want their mount.

And there it is. See, the HUGE argument that has completely engulfed this event is not about the event at all. Not really. the Argument, in a single small nutshell: "i just want my mount" vs "i want to beat this event" When we simplify the argument down to it's easiest form, that's the ENTIRE reason for the hundreds and hundreds of responses, the increased division amongst players, and the countless words being thrown at each other. it comes down to "i just want my mount".

Judging from the overall size of Cantha itself, there is definately room for more zones, and apparently there already is one located slightly south of one of the existing zones. then again, that zone specifically, is for the guild hall. imho, it is entirely plausible that there is Living World content in our future related to Cantha. The real mystery is: what kind of living world will we get?

Look, i get it. there is a mountain of posts and seemingly endless threads saying (almost) the exact same thing. let me summarize: "we want our turtle because that's what you said we were going to get. you never told us how we were going to get it" and "i can't get my turtle because the thing to start the collection is attached to a very hard open world event and that's not fair" And i promise you, if the turtle was not connected to said event, everyone would be happy. and the content they deliberately choose to skip will be skipped. is that the solution you are seeking?